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27 April 2012 @ 09:16 am
Person of Interest episode 20 SPOILERS

JOHN, FOR A SUPERSPY YOU ARE BETRAYED A LOT. (although in a way, I suppose that's sort of the point - he isn't a superspy, he's a soldier who trained to be a spy, but even as a spy, was still a soldier, since his job apparently was Stanton's helper, enforcer, and generally not ask questions)

also, Stanton alive! and it looks like she is NOT HAPPY with Snow. hee. (although I doubt show will get rid of Snow too quickly, so he'll probably talk his way out of it)

I'm trying to wrap my brain around Alicia being involved and what the actual plan in china was and who disrupted it. I think I need to watch it again.

So Stanton "pseudo-dies" in 2010? And was off the grid (as Root?) since. Reese and Snow appear to believe she's been dead this whole time. Snow would believe that Reese shot her and then the LZ was taken out, in theory taking Reese out as well (that much of his plan I understand), and then when Reese reappeared later on, Snow knew the missile strike or whatever it was had failed to kill him. So he wants Reese dead because Reese can out him as a traitor I presume.

Jessica called Reese also in 2010 in some kind of trouble and, presumably, died shortly thereafter when John couldn't go back to help her. :( So he makes his way back to the States, finds out she's dead, which would be bad on its own, but this is at the same time as he's been betrayed by his job and his partner. So the result is, job trying to kill him, partner tried to kill him (whereas he didn't do it to her - so to him, she must have believed the lie that he was a traitor), and he failed Jessica and she ended up dead. So basically, his life is suddenly worth nada, and that's where the spirals in rage and guilt starts.

Also in this episode:
Fusco was pretty awesome. John got shot -- and almost got shot at least twice more. VERY LUCKY OUR BOY. (though I like how he talked his way out of Ashley's attempt. He relies on his physical abilities, but he's pretty smart, too)

Carter didn't do a whole lot, but that was a great moment in the hospital when she comes to help Reese. I don't even ship them (I don't not ship them either, but I'm content with where they are right now) and that was FANTASTIC.

entertaining in a disturbing way: Bambera might think Ancelyn's all rightlyssie on April 27th, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
I sort of want to pretend that Stanton helped Reese, but I don't think she did--and I'm not sure that she believes he's a traitor.

ALSO. Is it wrong of me to think that Stanton knows about the Machine? Because that IS what the guy she killed was saying. Of course, maybe it's just a coincidence that the same terminology is being used.
lizardbethlizardbeth_j on April 27th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
I don't think she does believe Reese is a traitor anymore, but I think she did when she shot him, at least enough to do it anyway. But once he told her he had the same orders plus the extraction point (a point they were explicitly told was their ONLY ticket out) was blown up, she had to know it was someone else. Which Reese does too, but I think it was a bit different, because she did actually shoot him, which means she didn't trust him. So it's more personal.

No, I think it's the same Machine. Alicia's presence pretty much makes that clear I think. What is less clear yeah, is whether she knew a little too much about it or not. because if she did know, then I think she could've been working with the people who came earlier and was planning to take it for herself. It was left out a bit too conveniently. If that's true then shooting John was trying to cover her tracks. She just didn't realize that Snow was onto her/them and had the airstrike ready.

So my problem is we don't know her motivations yet. If we take the flashback parallel literally, then Stanton knew exactly what she was doing the whole time, and was playing her partner and everyone else for fools, as Ashley did. But it might be more of an emotional parallel, since John feels she betrayed him, it's just a question of degree. So in conclusion, I DUNNO. :)
patron saint of neglected female charactersrose_griffes on April 27th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to wrap my brain around Alicia being involved and what the actual plan in china was and who disrupted it. I think I need to watch it again.
Yes! And what was up with the machine or The Machine mentioned in Ordos? And why did she eventually turn tail and run?

STAAAAAAAAANTON! So excited that she's alive, and what this could mean for team Batman. (Obviously already bad news for team Snow; bye, Agent Preppy Friend!)

Basically the two things that took this from good episode to great (for me, anyway) were: 1) Stanton actually shot Reese. He couldn't do it, but she did. 2) STANTON MADE IT OUT ALIVE TOOOOOO! That was a fantastic reveal at the end; so glad I didn't know about that ahead of time.
lizardbeth: PofI - Carter Finchlizardbeth_j on April 29th, 2012 12:49 am (UTC)
I can't wait to find out what Stanton's agenda is --- is she in the same boat as Reese as someone innocent left out in the cold and now trying to make her way, or was she actually dirty and she set up at least part of the Ordos op to get out with the package (not realizing that Snow was also making a play there at the end)? Plus whatever the deal with that proto-machine brings up the question of how much did Harold know about all this? (and when Reese finds out how much Harold knew, how pissed is he gonna be about it?)