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12 December 2011 @ 09:42 am
Once Upon a Time...  
ooooh, the plot it thickeneth!

aw, Graham. Though I have to admit I'd be much more broken up about poor Graham if I hadn't stumbled over the spoiler that he was a goner a week ago. (I mean, really, laying it out there? WHO DOES THAT? ARGH) Doesn't make me not very angry at Regina though. She MURDERED him. And fucked him, too, when he couldn't say no, apparently, let's not forget THAT pleasant tidbit. ew. look, I enjoy her villainy a lot, but I don't believe it's a bad thing if fans say they hate her. She does terrible things and worse, she's petty and jealous about it.

But she does swoop around awesomely. Poor Graham never had a chance.

I do, however, wonder if he's coming back in flashbacks, esp as part of Ruby's story - doesn't that usually involve a huntsman as well? Could easily be the same one. and look, I am a refugee from LOST, I EXPECT people to show up in flashbacks even when they're dead in the 'present'.

But anyway Graham was mostly interesting to me in how he revealed some more of Snow and Regina's story And hm, Snow WAS in fact a princess, after all. I find that kinda funny after the "oh, she's not a princess, she was a thief!" excitement. And her castle? WAS FANTASTIC. (it reminded me of the Minbari city from B5) So although obviously CGI, it was awesome. More awesome than the ridiculously fake deer. I have no idea why they went that way, making it so profoundly non-medieval, but whatev. Rule of Cool.

By the way - regarding last week's - I now really want the story of exactly how James and Snow managed to bypass his "father" -- is there ANOTHER deal with Rumple to get rid of Alan Dale waiting in the wings? Or something else. I'm still suspicious that Abigail is involved. It seems a bit convenient for her to end up with David innocently when we know both her father AND "James"'s were stone cold bastards and I can't imagine either took well to the idea that James wasn't going to marry Abigail after all. Clearly there is at least one more piece missing.

I really hope the writing staff is keeping a timeline. Or two. I still haven't quite figured out how David's past works -- didn't they say he'd "always" been in a coma? I presumed from that, that he'd been in the coma since the curse fell into place, and his coma was a side-effect of James dying when the curse was cast. SO. Either my presumption remains true, in which case all the photos and all the stuff with Katherine is a big lie (which seems weird when there's physical evidence in the photos and windmill), OR after the curse, David was awake, and either found himself married to Katherine or got married to her, they took photos and had an ugly windmill, and then he went out and had an accident and was in a coma... hrm. I don't find either of these options satisfactory. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, re: Abigail/Katherine, is what I'm saying, I think. I suspect "Princess Abigail" is someone else with a far more recognizable moniker, but I suppose we'll see. I AM SUSPICIOUS OKAY.

Apparently I should've written a commentary LAST week. heh

Back to this week. Hee, I suppose I should've guessed that kissing Emma was the route to breaking the curse. (which makes me think that Emma should've been the one to kiss David/James, and then I remember he's her dad and it gets awkward. lol) But aw, since Graham spared Snow, that means Emma could live and that's what made it work. Which is both sweet and sad since he's dea

I am curious whether this will mean Emma is now The New Sheriff In Town. I would guess yes (which makes me sort of think of a gender-swapped Deadwood with Regina Swearangen and Sheriff Emma Bullock. Regina swears less, at least. (ok, brain, please stop)

(I think when I went to bed I had more to say, but I've now forgotten.)

Also, we watched the finale for Boardwalk Empire. That certainly shakes things up for S3. whoa.
agathons_fan: OUAT - Snow/Charmingagathons_fan on December 12th, 2011 05:58 pm (UTC)
This weeks (and last weeks) episode made me very sad. I miss Graham already. His plot line became really sad their at the end. I have always liked Regina/Evil Queen, even though she was the villain, I thought she was pretty BAMF. While, I guess she still is, Im rethinking my likeness on her after this episode, idk.

I always thought that David was in a coma because of the injury he got right before the curse was put in place and his whole life with Katherine (photos, etc) was all fake, just like the rest of the curse did with the memories and whatnot.
lizardbeth: ouatlizardbeth_j on December 12th, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
The thing with David that's weird is that he actually seems to 'remember' - which -- I don't know, did staring at the window in Gold's business reprogram him, like he's Boomer with her sleeper program? cuz as we know from Graham and MM, they can't remember how they met, and their memories in Storybrooke are vague. So how does David then remember something that never happened? I mean, it would make some sense if he half-remembered Abigail/Katherine as someone he's supposed to be married to, because that was true (even if he didn't end up with her), but he seemed to remember more than that. Anyway, I'm sure we'll find out more, but it still seems like he's a different case than the rest of them.

Heh, I know people like villains (and heaven knows, it's a cottage industry to 'redeem' them back from their evil-ness), and I enjoy Regina, too. But right now, SHE KILLED GRAHAM FOR LOUSY REASONS and I am PUT OUT. ;D

agathons_fan: OUAT - Mary/David Fairytalesagathons_fan on December 12th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
IDK, I think they tried to explain it in that episode about his memories, but Im sure they will go further into it at another point.

Yeah, she was a villain the i loved to hate, but now pretty much just hate. I dont support anything she did with Graham. From making him her sex-slave to killing him because he dumped her. Im over her now. :(
noybusiness on December 13th, 2011 02:13 pm (UTC)
He remembers things that didn't happen because of the curse. The curse gave him and Kathryn a specific backstory (married, argued, he was in an accident), so there would be specific "memories" to remember.
lizardbeth: ouat  snow-jameslizardbeth_j on December 13th, 2011 05:17 pm (UTC)
see, but that's the part that doesn't really make sense to me. He was dying when the curse was cast, so the curse functioned by holding him in a coma. The only reason that broke was because she kissed him. The curse had no need to give him any fake backstory because he was in a perpetual coma - that WAS his part of the curse. But now, it's basically saying "no, actually all this other stuff was the curse, really, and the coma was just an unfortunate side-effect." which may be true, but I don't like it.
noybusiness on December 13th, 2011 05:23 pm (UTC)
He was in the coma tbecause of his circumstances when the curse happened and it gave him a backstory to explain why he was in the coma. Making the past fit the present.
koolaidmom11koolaidmom11 on December 12th, 2011 07:25 pm (UTC)
I thought this weeks episode was the most interesting yet since it explains that "yes, apparently some PEOPLE DO remember" that they are fairy tale characters.

Also, the fact that they're starting to remember...the backstory was awesome

but he was soooo cute!!

AND Boardwalk Empire...i can't believe that Jimmy is dead...i was hoping that Nucky would kill his brother. BUMMER!!

so, what's to stop him now...other than his wife
lizardbeth: ouatlizardbeth_j on December 12th, 2011 07:52 pm (UTC)
yes, exactly. the memories ARE there in each character (though I think MM/David definitely hinted at this). And they can remember.

*sniff* poor Graham.

Re: Boardwalk. That was pretty amazing. I'm glad they did it that way, I think, since Jimmy was a tragedy all the way through, and I guess I'd find it hard to buy that Nucky'd let him go after all that. But yeah, it was still a shock. It's going to be hard for any other character to step into his slot, I think.

But I do hope Nucky v Margaret will be interesting next season - now that she's dispensed with her guilt and she knows Nucky's not honest with her anymore, it frees her to go back to the shreweder Margaret from before.
koolaidmom11koolaidmom11 on December 12th, 2011 07:59 pm (UTC)
yeah...i think he liked that about her but she will certainly be an adversary. I HATED Jimmy's mom and she is so screwed up and i hope she gets her comeuppance, ya know?

I guess next year will be about Nucky vs. Margaret and maybe getting into the herion trade. I'm not sure...
lizardbeth: BSG-Hera and Deelizardbeth_j on December 12th, 2011 09:36 pm (UTC)
OH GOD, Jimmy's mom, was she THE WORST or what? *shiver* And the thought of her raising Jimmy's son is just HORRIFYING on the creep meter. I rarely want a character DEAD but talk about someone who needs killing before that poison spreads to the next generation...
The Other Crazy French Chick: VMARS tada!hobbitofkobol on December 12th, 2011 07:31 pm (UTC)
I'm sad because the huntsman looked really pretty in fairy tale world :p

which makes me think that Emma should've been the one to kiss David/James, and then I remember he's her dad
I always forget about how Emma is connected to them lol. Like when Henry said "you kissed my mom???" (and lol he also banged your adoptive mother, kid)
lizardbeth: ouatlizardbeth_j on December 12th, 2011 07:59 pm (UTC)

and that wolf was very pretty, too. In a different pretty way. :)

But yeah, i am very glad that Emma was clued into their possible parental connection to them RIGHT AWAY (and the audience too, to spare us the unintentional incest fics, lol.) Even if she doesn't fully believe it, at least she knows and feels a connection, seems like.

But then, for a moment, I thought Regina was Snow's birth mother and I was like NO WAI, it came as a relief when it was clarified as STEP- mother.
entertaining in a disturbing way: Det Carter needs coffeelyssie on December 15th, 2011 03:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I am having a hard time reconciling my liking of Regina with the bit where she made Graham her sex slave.

That aside, though, I like how it's still somewhat about how Emma's connections with people are bringing things about (not to mention her reluctance at being caught in the middle)

And Regina's reaction is so childish, though I suppose she did make that promise of retribution, it seems... flawed, in execution.
lizardbeth: ouat  snow-jameslizardbeth_j on December 15th, 2011 04:00 am (UTC)
I like her, but not as a hero, I guess is the difference? She's like Cain, to me, in that I think she's a good character and interesting, (and Regina's more fun in her EEEEVIL) but I would hate her in person.

and heh, Emma's connected to half the town by blood, alone. Guess she has to make out with the rest of them to break the curse. lol
mrsdrjackson: Fangirl - Ginny Weasly - HPmrsdrjackson on December 16th, 2011 02:13 pm (UTC)
(it reminded me of the Minbari city from B5
OMG that's what it reminded me of! I've been going nuts trying to figure it out lol.

So do you think Regina is going to have a similarly violent reaction when the next person remembers? Or is it just Graham's leaving her that spurred this violence?