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03 February 2010 @ 09:35 am
wow, it feels like forever since I've done a tv roundup! Figures it would be LOST that got me off my lazy beehind to write something up.

LEOBEN IS THAT YOU???? *feels all nostalgic* creepy? check. Obsessive? check. still embarrassingly hot? check.
But ha, he got totally Pwned. Take that, scumbag!

But wow, even with David Anders, I still so don't care about the other Russian storyline.

Aw Dana, I hope you're setting up YOUR creepy stalker for a big fall. Because that's what people usually do on this show, so I'm crossing my fingers. (and then it will go awry, probably because Chloe will get on her, and Dana will have no choice but GO ROGUE. Sorry, this is S.8 -- I'm wise to their tricks).

Life Unexpected
Still my cute show. Still makes me feel like I'm an awesome parent!

I love the four main leads. But man, if I didn't already like Baze, knowing his dad's such a prick would definitely do it.

But ha, I wish we'd heard the invitation to Cate's mom. I bet THAT was something to behold.


I think it's hilarious that my hubby think he has it all figured out already. When he's obviously WRONGY WRONG. (he thinks we're seeing two ends of the SAME timeline.) *chortle* I will enjoy watching Darlton break his brain.

OH JULIET, DON'T BREAK MY HEART AGAIN. However, I cling to the idea that she's alive in 815-B timeline, even if she's gone on-Island.

Smokey and Esau and Not!Locke are all the same. awesome to have that confirmed. (how it 'operates' isn't, and I'll enjoy reading the theories about that and the cabin and such). WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH RICHARD?!?!?! LET HIM GO!

aw, Jacob. If you're inhabiting Sayid now, that means we won't get our lovely Pellegrino Meatsuit anymore. I'll have to hope Lucifer keeps you around for awhile more on SPN. And also, he definitely knew Ben was just a tool -- "an old friend got tired of my company." He certainly didn't say "an embittered servant got pushed to homicide..." I also remember how Jacob said "They're Coming", which has always seemed to me to indicate the time travelers - once they were back in the present, he could let Ben kill him so he could go talk to Hurley and get Sayid saved.

I've read a bunch of theories about Not!Locke's statement about going 'home': he wants to leave the island, he wants to go to Egypt, etc. I wonder if he doesn't mean the Temple -- we only saw Smokey in the tunnel under the wall, IIRC, not the big structure. And certainly Japanese XO dude seemed to think with Jacob dead, the Temple was going to be attacked ANY MINUTE NOW.

(oh, more funnies: so when they reveal the Temple: Mr Liz, who knows Hawaii from growing up there, and who constantly knows exactly where things are filmed, looks at the Temple and observes dryly: "I've never seen THAT on Hawaii before...")

Here's how I envision the timeline(s) right now. The bomb is (and always was) a point of divergence: in one reality, the bomb didn't go off, and that's the timeline we know. That's the timeline of the crash of 815, the time travel to Dharma, and the "home" reality of the characters we've known all along. However, in another reality, Juliet succeeded and the bomb detonated, and sank the Island. Note that in the reality that the bomb didn't go off, the weird time electromagnetism stuff was STILL released and sent all our Time Travelers forward. I believe, based on the fact that Japanese XO launched a firework/rocket that Richard saw at the beach, that the Time Travelers are now in the 'current on-Island time' with Faux-Locke, Sun, etc.

ETA: This is somewhat simplified, since they jumped around a bit more than I have here and they didn't jump all together, but this the main path. Also, Rose and Bernard are in the Time Traveler group, too, and I think it's likely they jumped forward, too, we just don't see them on the Island too often.

Charlotte and Daniel were also in the orange group of Time Travelers - they're dead in Timeline A, but anyone who was alive in Timeline A before 1977 and was not on the Island when it sank should be alive in B.

Okay, so here's my theory/speculation on how these two realities will intersect: Everyone near the Swan in 1977 was treated to the same/similar thing that happened to Desmond. Not only were they all thrown back forward in time again, but they'll start slipping between this reality and the one from the other timeline. Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Miles, Hurley, and Jin (Sayid might be a special case, depending on if he's now Faux-Jacob on the Island or not, which I think is likely, given that Jacob's note apparently said the Others were all fucked if they didn't get Sayid in the Temple). But if not, if he's really "our" Sayid, then he may be able to travel to his alternate-self in the B timeline, too.

Now, the part I'm looking forward to most, if this is true: Jin-A appearing in 815-B, suddenly able to speak English and being nice, but in jail, knows Sun speaks English and poor Sun-B WILL BE SO CONFUSED ("But wait, how do you know English? Were you taking secret lessons too?").

And of course Sawyer-A (James) realizing that Juliet is alive in this other timeline. :D

But this gives a possibility of a great ending as the timelines converge: all of 'our' characters can STAY in this apparently better timeline (or get 'stuck" in Timeline B if the result turns out worse, like it might for Jin).

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I'm Your Slave and You're My Obsession: LOST - Charlie TVfire_sister on February 3rd, 2010 06:37 pm (UTC)

I think we have two copies of the same people at the same time, in different places. That the 'original' Losties are who's on the island and then we have the "alternate reality" Losties on the plane, but it's all the same time. So if "AR Jack" were to visit the island tomorrow he could bump into himself.

What happened with Christian? Christian has to be a key in here somewhere. He's on the island and talks to our Losties a few times as they move through time...and now he's missing again? I've said for a long time now that Christian is more important than he's being given credit for.

Miles knows what's up with Sayid. Miles isn't really that good at secrets, so I think that will be explained pretty quick. But I'd like it to not be Jacob related. We've already established that Jacob can talk to Hurley why does he need to come 'back' into a body?

You know, my mind was pretty messed up after watching the episode yesterday and this morning, but more so reading all these recaps because now I'm thinking about it even more.

So can I just say: "YEAH!! CHARLIE!!!"
lizardbeth: Julietlizardbeth_j on February 3rd, 2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
The same time would mean it's a 2007 Oceanic 815 flight - which is certainly possible but would mean things like Claire would've had her baby already. I suppose we're going to find out very soon, since Kate's with her. Basically everything would then be pushed on that timeline a few years - Christian dying, Boone going to get Shannon, etc. They might do it that way, just to make it simpler. But either way, I don't think there IS an Island for the Reset folks to visit - it's underwater. OTOH, plane!Jack's apparent deja vu makes me also think it'll converge with the other one somehow, because if it were completely separate he wouldn't know anything had happened before.

Christian is definitely a key. TO WHAT, I don't know. I think the one we've seen on the Island, talking to Locke and then later Sun is a manifestation of Not!Locke/Smokey, but the body disappearing again is highly suspicious. Maybe it's the first dead body that's gone over the Island since it sank and Smokey (or Jacob) took it to duplicate it and can now appear as Christian to Plane!Jack and the other Reset versions.

I had a thought also yesterday that just as saving Wee!Ben "took his innocence", then maybe the dark water is the reverse - that Sayid's was restored?. he said, when he was dying, that he'd done all those horrible things and he knew there was no forgiveness for that. So if he was baptised, essentially, and washed clean of his previous sins, maybe... um, I don't quite know how they'd show that or to what purpose. And the pool not healing the cut as expected seems to work against it, too. So... dunno.. but yeah, Miles knows something.

I'll see your Charlie and match you with a BOONE! :D
mymatedavemymatedave on February 3rd, 2010 09:42 pm (UTC)
This is one of the things I love about Lost and the internet. There's a mainstream tv show that deals with time travel paradoxes, I can talk to people across the world about it and they'll understand what I'm talking about.

Re: Sayid, definitely agree with you on the baptism symbolism, Abrams doesn't film a shot like that with all the imagery and have it just be a coincidence.
lizardbeth: Julietlizardbeth_j on February 4th, 2010 01:36 am (UTC)
heh, oh yes. Though I have noticed that people who cut their teeth on Star Trek or Terminator or the like, tend to have a better grasp of what's going on, because boy have I seen people ask some "Time Paradoxes for Dummies" questions in forums.

And of course, the baptism could still have two meanings: either Sayid's own soul is getting cleansed, or Sayid's been literally reborn as someone else.
mymatedavemymatedave on February 4th, 2010 06:31 pm (UTC)
"And of course, the baptism could still have two meanings: either Sayid's own soul is getting cleansed, or Sayid's been literally reborn as someone else."

Point. Sayid becoming a meatpuppet for Jacob might work as a parallel to not!Locke, but Sayid's done the giving himself to the cause bit for Ben and seems to have moved on from that part of his life.
Allisonfrolicndetour on February 3rd, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
I watched for the first time in at least a season and even with the recap episode, I'm so confused. I appreciate your handy diagram. :)
lizardbeth: Anders-streamlizardbeth_j on February 3rd, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
oh dear. that's quite a lot to miss!

Hopefully my handy diagram is correct. (it's certainly correct in regards to the time travel part - it's the second timeline part that might be wrong). But we'll find out!
greygreycoupon on February 4th, 2010 10:25 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched in a few seasons. Even with recap it didnt make much sense.
lizardbeth: Julietlizardbeth_j on February 4th, 2010 10:45 pm (UTC)
LOL yeah, that'd be like reading the last chapter of a book you'd only read the prologue before. Have you read recaps for the seasons you've missed? that would help, or Lostpedia. Cuz otherwise... good luck! :)
M: J&J - The Incidentmfirefly10 on February 3rd, 2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
Wow. Your theory makes me want to re-think mine:) Very interesting.

The way I saw the two different timelines: They are parallel worlds so we get to see what happened if the plane never crashed. I think the purpose of this is to show that certain people (Jack/Locke, Sawyer/Hurley, Kate/Claire) were always meant to cross-paths, even if the crash never brought them together on the island. Now, I imagine these two worlds will collide at some point and we'll learn that it is possible to change your fate but not without consequences and that not everyone can do it.

Poor Sayid and Locke. First they die, then their 'souls' get stolen by Jacob and Smokey. That's gotta suck! But considering Miles seemed to pick up on the Sayid/Jacob switch, I imagine it won't be a secret for much longer.

Oh, Juliet...*sobs*...Those scenes GUTTED me...but they also made me happy. A: I'm glad Juliet didn't have to die alone in that frakking hole and B: I think the 'coffee'/'it worked' references will come back later in the season and we haven't seen the last of Juliet or Sawyer/Juliet. *clings to ridiculous theory that will reunite my Lost OTP*
I'm Your Slave and You're My Obsession: LOST - Season 6fire_sister on February 3rd, 2010 08:24 pm (UTC)
Did you guys see the article by the...um I think producers of the show that talks about this? I read it Afte I commented above. It's not totally spoilerish (as I try to avoid those) it just says we are all asking the right questions about the two timelines. And explains why there are two.
lizardbeth: Julietlizardbeth_j on February 3rd, 2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
"divergent timeline" = "parallel worlds" so yeah. My theory is just how those two timelines might interact/interconnect. But that might not be for awhile, if the alternate version has to catch up to the 'present" (if that's the same flight, Plane!Jack and Co will have to live those same ~3 years over again) .

If I were doing it (and I planned this sort of switching), I'd spend a few "flashsideways" to get time to pass on the mainland and match the timelines, and then have them start bouncing around mentally between the two realities.. .And then James can appear in Sawyer-off-island and go LOOKING FOR JULIET.

If the two realities aren't going to mix up like that, then I guess we have to hope that Sawyer will run across Juliet all on his own, with a bit of help of DESTINY *clings with you*

M: James & Juliet (textless)mfirefly10 on February 3rd, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
Aw, I like your version better: where he actively goes to search for her! 'Cause as happy as I'd be to see them find each other in any way, I'd love if it at least one of them was aware of all that had happened between them and got the full impact of their reunion. Especially if it was island!Sawyer so he could finally be happy again:)! *huggles OTP of blond badassery*
carpenyxcarpenyx on February 3rd, 2010 08:50 pm (UTC)
I totally love your Lost theory but my brain hurts. Time travel always confuses me!!!
lizardbeth: Julietlizardbeth_j on February 4th, 2010 01:38 am (UTC)
luckily I write these kind of divergent AUs all the time. So parallel universes are how my brain works!
Glenn: castiel_sadfacehypertwink on February 4th, 2010 12:33 am (UTC)
Life Unexpected
OMG, I started laughing when it was revealed that the crazy caller was Kate's sister but when mom showed up...I loved it even more when she clearly has delusions that she brought up her 2 daughters right. If I'm correct in my guess, Kate parented little sis while mom sobered up upstairs and her one time being "no responsibilities, yay" and carefree was the one that resulted with Luxe. Anyway, what surprised me was Baze's mom -- that was one ninja bitch. I thought she was nice and the set-up seemed like asshole dad, sweetiepie mom. Boy was I wrong.
lizardbeth: Castiel -alonelizardbeth_j on February 4th, 2010 01:41 am (UTC)
Re: Life Unexpected
oh, both moms are quite the pieces of work (in different ways). How Baze ended up as normal as he is, is amazing really with two control-freaks as parents, just explains why he went in the totally opposite direction.

Cate's mom walking up the driveway with BOX WINE! omg. lol. POOR CATE.