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10 April 2009 @ 11:13 pm
SCC - Born to Run  


ending, OMG.

ok, I can't seem to get over that WEAVER HAD A TIME MACHINE IN THE BASEMENT. obviously she was sent back, I never ever expected her to have the means to GET BACK.


ALLISON! oh, man, as good as it was to see Derek, and it was, it was even better to see Allison. yay, get yourself the real thing, John, I don't mind that at all!
(and yes, I am on Team Cylon for BSG, ironically enough.)

"And Mr Ellison, if you don't want to come to the future with us, would you pick up Savannah from gymnastics?" LOL. And I also like her line about your cybord skulking about... "skulking". I think only Catherine can get away with saying that.

And Sarah telling John through Chola Girl under no circumstances try to rescue her, and John and Cameron totally doing it anyway.

Then John Henry-- "will you join us", and Cameron gives him her chip, and he goes to the future to fight Skynet!!!!!! HOLY CRAP.


And okay, if there is no more, then OMG THE FIC OUT OF THIS SHOULD BE INSANE ANYWAY.

Plus, as Mr Liz pointed out, it actually sort of fits in with the movie-timeline, in that even SCC has now moved forward into the resistance era, not trying to prevent the war.

However, DEAR MOVIE PTB, when you're promoting Salvation it behooves you to actually HAVE NEW MATERIAL. As much as I draw sparkly hearts around that trailer, it is NOT NEW OR EXCLUSIVE OR ANYTHING I HAVEN'T ALREADY SEEN.


*looks pitiful*
Mmfirefly10 on April 11th, 2009 07:25 am (UTC)
That ending was MADE of AWESOME!!!

I'm going to be seriously bummed if that was the series finale...cause now I HAVE to see what happens!

Kyle + Derek + Allison = A future I'd like to go to:)!

Will cry and throw things if that's all we get.
lizardbeth: Derek S2lizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
heh, well, I'm not so sure I want to go to a nuclear wasteland to LIVE, but I wouldn't mind visiting for awhile. :)

The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Blinders of Hopesabaceanbabe on April 11th, 2009 11:56 am (UTC)
I cried, man. I bawled like a little baby when I saw John in the future with Derek and Kyle and Allison.

As soon as I'm finished letting the ep play again all the way through on Fox.com, they're getting an email. Oh, yes they are. Unfortunately, there may be pathetic begging involved.
mrsdrjackson: Blinders of Hopemrsdrjackson on April 11th, 2009 08:05 pm (UTC)
YES to all of this, begging included. <3 <3 <3

lizardbeth: Derek and Sarahlizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
DUDE, WHAT A MOMENT. I figured John would see ONE of them, but to see all of them, and Allison petting the dog, and omg, eveything that John just lost he now has back. BUT they don't know him! Though I suspect John would take it, over the opposite.

Nicole Anell: tscc - cameronnicole_anell on April 11th, 2009 02:16 pm (UTC)
it was even better to see Allison. yay, get yourself the real thing, John, I don't mind that at all!
LOL, yes!

My mind is blown six ways to Sunday. This CANNOT be the end of the series. I forbid it. :(

(P.S. Er, I see no problem with being Team Cylon on BSG and Team Terminators Are Fucking Crazy on this show. Although I could watch John Henry play D&D all day.)
lizardbeth: Many copieslizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)

But I'm such a John/Cameron anti-shipper, cuz she's a MACHINE, y'know, and then my Team Cylon side chides me that I'm being a hypocritical speciesist. *g* Though it's true both that she is far more machine than our beloved Cylons and far crazier.

And hee, watch John Henry CHEAT at D&D!
Merry Fivanolix on April 11th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
OMG, I am in so much agreement with this review! I finally had time to watch the episode and...and...*guh* I'm getting that awful sinking feeling that I'm about to lose a show I love, and I'm not sure I can take that...
lizardbeth: Dereklizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
*crossing my fingers* we'll know by mid-may apparently...
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on April 11th, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
So it seems that because John skipped over these years, the timeline has been altered and he's not the resistance leader in the future. At least that means that Kyle, Derek, Allison, Jesse, and Riley don't have to die. What are Weaver and John Henry going to do (BTW, loved the "your John, my John" and her turning into a shield).

I thought that was the old trailer. How disappointing.

Terminators and Cylons are very different.

lizardbeth: Derek and Sarahlizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC)
I really hope we get to see John coming to grips with not being indispensable, after all (and possibly the reason all those people have died and maybe for nothing), OR discovering that in order to win/make things better he has to lose them all over again.

I've seen the theory floated that John Henry isn't even IN the same timeline that Weaver and John jumped to, though that seems needlessly complicated to me. But who knows what JH's actually up to- on further thought, it seems more sensical for him to oppose his brother in the present, not the future, so I don't know why (if?) he went forward...

yeah, same trailer. *pout* Though it was good to see it on my t.v. in high-def, rather than my computer.
mrsdrjackson: Derek omgHOTmrsdrjackson on April 11th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
KYYYYYYLE! DEREK! <33333 My heart nearly broke in half watching that scene.

And Mr Ellison, if you don't want to come to the future with us, would you pick up Savannah from gymnastics?"
I was all *flailyhands* over that part.
lizardbeth: Derek with gunlizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
wasn't that great? DEREK! (and okay, not exactly 'our' Derek, but I'll take it) and KYLE. ALIVE KYLE. A Kyle never sent back? A Kyle in which John never existed at all? And that was a beautiful scene when John sees him and they're both lit the same way and really do look related for a moment.

mrsdrjackson: Derek omgHOTmrsdrjackson on April 11th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
A Kyle that either wasn't sent back or hasn't been sent back yet. Maybe this is how John starts to make a name for himself? Maybe this is the beginning of John Connor's life as a Leader.

That scene really was BEAUTIFUL. <3 I cried. But then, just seeing Derek brought to tears to my eyes, so...yeah.
lizardbeth: Derek with gunlizardbeth_j on April 11th, 2009 10:30 pm (UTC)
He might have to send Kyle back in order to restore the timeline -- if, of course, this one is worse, which we don't actually know yet. If it's better (which is at least arguable right now, since at least Allison's not been killed, and both Kyle and Derek are still alive), then JOhn might have to face the choice of whether he SHOULD try to restore the timeline, or not.

There's a theory I've read that this is actually closing the loop and now John's going to become John Connor, future leader, and make everything play out the same, but I like the idea of this being an alternate timeline without John much better than making it all some infinitely recursive loop (which works for Lost, but this show's already put alternate universes in play). But it's certainly plausible, if the show wants to go that route.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on April 12th, 2009 12:12 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure he's too young.

If the timeline has changed, he may not have to send Kyle back in order to ensure his birth because it's already happened via original Kyle. Or something. Cue headache.

I didn't receive notification of the last two replies people made to my comments (you and tigriswolf). Are you having the same problem? Check the post beneath this.

lizardbeth: Derek and Sarahlizardbeth_j on April 12th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
yeah, John's age would be one of my complaints against the closing-the-loop theory. Another being that Allison is clearly too old for John and Weaver to have arrived pre-Century City workcamp according to SCC canon.

And yes, John exists, it's already done, IMO. Besides, I've never been particularly attached to the idea that the universe gives a crap about two hundred extra pounds of mass wandering around once it gets there.

oh, yes, I did get them, and totally meant to reply before SCC distracted me. Thanks for your suggestions. Regarding your last thought, yes, if one of the Five gained complete memories of Earth they might indeed tell the Fleet not to go there. I've already written the necessary scene about that -- though it won't even appear in 'Ariadne.'
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on April 12th, 2009 05:14 am (UTC)
I'm still having the problem, though. I didn't receive notification of this response. I'm glad it's not livejournal-wide.

And Adama and Roslin would have to debate what to tell the fleet. Keep up a fiction of Earth so they don't lose hope? While their own struggle with despair went on...
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on April 12th, 2009 05:35 am (UTC)
And that's not mentioning the guilt the Cylon would feel for being the bearer of bad news, and the bad memories it would dredge up for him or her. "They've been chasing this dream and it was dust all along. The worst thing is seeing the hope on their faces die. How can I take away these people's hope?"
lizardbeth: Anders- Helolizardbeth_j on April 12th, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
oh yes. The choice of crushing their hope now, or letting them see it and getting crushed then. Not to mention, if Kara is still sipping at the crazysauce, she wouldn't want to believe it, since she'd still be forced to go that way. Then Adama would have to pick between Laura who wants to go straight ahead toward Earth (she thinks), Kara who's back from the dead and wants to go thataway to Earth, and this Final five Cylon who remembers it becoming a cinder two thousand years ago. yeah, I don't envy him that one - though he'd probably still split the difference and send the Demetrius to scout it. (although as I've been discovering, when you already have one of the Five in the open, a lot of the Cylon-Hybrid-Three plot dissolves away).
noybusiness on April 12th, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
True. They'd have less reason to free Three (heh) when they destroyed the Hub.
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on April 12th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
If they don't actually go there, they'll still be able to keep the illusion that Earth is out there for the fleet. However, Adama and Roslin aren't the type to take something like that on faith, especially from a Cylon that could be trying to confuse them. So they might send Racetrack and Skulls in a Raptor to check it out, and then swear them to secrecy.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on April 13th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
But they talk and the mutiny happens.
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on April 12th, 2009 05:40 am (UTC)
It's like a bad joke.
mrsdrjackson: Well shitmrsdrjackson on April 13th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
*head starts to spin*
This is why I hate love hate time travel!