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18 February 2009 @ 04:53 pm
have some thoughts.  
So, I really suck at the posting lately. Sorry, new flisters! But boring life is better than "interesting".

So. The "news". I have 3000-ish brand new words of fic. Would this be for any WIP? Anything with a deadline? Any project ongoing with eager readers already out there?

nooooooo, of course not.

Though I'm sure certain people will be pleased that I also did some Shadow in the Pattern (that would be the B5/BSG x-over) - this is unfortunately not the NEXT bit in the sequence, which I still need to do. But, it's something, yes?

1. I'm sort of sad that we've now lost the fanon of Sam Anders: Rockstar, though I have to also love the play against expectation a bit to have him be some kind of scientist. It's somewhat reminiscent of his turn on BBT, actually - I kind of wonder if Trucco laughed when he got the script, having finished BSG by that time.

I figure Original Recipe Sam must have been rather brilliant, and maybe a bit of a loner, in-his-head kind of guy (the beach, guitar, music writing as a hobby), so to punish him, John Cavil took away his science and made him a 'dumb' jock. I wonder if he also made Sam good at pyramid, or that was just Sam discovering a hitherto unknown talent. Did Cavil gnash his teeth at Sam's success, or was he glad because the higher Sam was, the harder he'd fall when armageddon came?

Damn, that is a horrible, twisted evil plan of revenge. And that's just Sam. Plus there's the horribleness of making his "mother" into a drunken slut, making Saul a drunk and a war vet (I'd say put him in the military, but that seems to have been Adama's doing to get him (back) in uniform), and maybe intending Galen to be in the clergy, given how Galen's faux-parents were an oracle and a priest. Interesting that Galen sort of rebelled against it and turned into an engineer anyway - maybe Galen's block of his past was always a bit cracked.

I still hold to the belief that Sam must have come to the Colonies at LEAST ten years ago, if not more. Celebrity sports stars need some kind of track record - the Colonies were a culture with journalists, after all, and he played on a team and would have a previous team and all that at least for aways back.

Anyway, Ellen MUST fix Sam. Because I suspect if he rezzes, Pyramid!Sam will be gone, just as (faux) Ellen is gone. *sad*


Speaking of RockStar!Sam... so he played the song for the woman he loved. Which is not Tory, apparently. So who? Both Tory and Ellen were already coupled up - so either he was unrequitedly in love with one of them, or there was someone else who didn't make it, leaving him to make that long voyage as odd man out. :(

Or, since he saw a woman (the angel/head!person), I wonder if SHE was the one he loved. Like Baltar loves his Head!Six. Furthermore, I wonder if one of the three female Humlons are modeled after her, in the same way Ellen modeled Cavil on her father. (and perhaps Tory modeled another model after the male she saw, too)

I don't know... I don't even know if I like it. Ship-wise, I want to push that into being Kara (or Aurora, if Kara is Aurora's avatar and the Head!folk/angels are also the LoK), but you'd think Sparkly!NEw!Memories!Sam would've mentioned if Kara was the same as the image he saw, so I don't think it works.

But if he IS gonna die, I want his angel, whoever she is, to come back to him and take him home. Because he frakking DESERVES it.


In a not-Sam spec, is Boomer helping Ellen escape, or is she "helping" in order to find the rest of the Five for Cavil? I hope she had an epiphany that John was not what he claimed to be to her, but... I've grown sadly dubious over the last few days. Poor Boomer.

Also, dear fandom, I know there was a lot of information to take in, but please, get it through your heads that the Humlons on Earth had BABIES, not copies. There are still people who seem to think Earth was populated by multiple copies of the five. hello there - I'd like to introduce you to the point of the show.


LOST tonight. mmm, I do love my plotty crack.
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entertaining in a disturbing way: anders starbuck mk2lyssie on February 19th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)

2. I think Sam saw Six and Tory saw Leoben. (or Sam saw Kara, and he loooooooooooooves her, even across two centuries. ;)

YAY. Shadow in the Pattern!
lizardbeth: Anders - greylizardbeth_j on February 19th, 2009 05:00 am (UTC)
1. In our hearts, he'll always be a rock star. *g* But I like brilliant scientist, too.

2. Yeah, that's what I suspect, too. We already have those as Head!Characters, so it would be simpler. Though Galen saw someone too, so he could've seen "Six". Or Saul, given he's the one shacking up with a Six, right now.

heh. yes, there is more to Shadow. oh so much more, but only the exciting bits. :)
entertaining in a disturbing way: Kara and Sam are too gleeful to pay attelyssie on February 19th, 2009 05:03 am (UTC)
1. I'm ok with him being both. Cylon, after all. They're special.

mrsdrjacksonmrsdrjackson on February 19th, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
Shadow in the Pattern! SQUEE! ^_^

I wonder if one of the three female Humlons are modeled after her
Erm...I hope it is Six and not Eight. o_O That would just make things awkward...but in an OT4 universe, it would be brilliant! Though it would not explain his current fascination with blonds.

But if he IS gonna die, I want his angel, whoever she is, to come back to him and take him home. Because he frakking DESERVES it.
lizardbeth: Anders- Helolizardbeth_j on February 19th, 2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
I would like to think Sharon was Tyrol's angel, since I suspect Tyrol's mindwipe was never as good as the others, and so he would love Sharon. That would leave Six or D'Anna was Sam's (three male Fivers who saw an angel, and three beautiful female Humlons, seems logical they're all patterned after one). But on a more practical level, if we end up seeing her, I'm sure it'll be Six since we've already seen Head!Six.

And yes, more Shadow! which was, um, originally intended for your birthday *cough* (sorry!), and has grown like a kudzu all over the place. So as soon as I clean it up and finish all the bridging parts, there'll be A LOT. erm, eventually. :)

mrsdrjacksonmrsdrjackson on February 20th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
That makes sense, Tyrol seems to be quite the rebel!Cylon. :D

which was, um, originally intended for your birthday *cough* (sorry!)
LMAO Better late than never! :P And lots of Shadow more than makes up for the delay. *glee*
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Truccosabaceanbabe on February 19th, 2009 02:09 pm (UTC)
I don't see how him being a brilliant scientist excludes him being a rockstar... O_o

Scientist = day job

Rockstar = nights and weekends

Thank you for the ideas on my current Sam fic. Alas, I was hoping to finish it and get it posted before the next ep josses it, but that ain't gonna happen. Sam and head!Jean seem to like to talk. ;)
lizardbeth: Anders - gunlizardbeth_j on February 19th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
well, have a band, play small clubs or something on the weekend? sure. Or get together with a group of buddies and kick ass on Guitar Hero, Old Earth Edition? yes. But ROCK STAR? Like if Pete Wentz also worked at JPL? um, okay ... I make it a policy never to argue with fanon-crazed fangirls.... ;P

Yeah, I'm not getting my fic out before tomorrow either, probably.

hm, and I know better than to ask you your opinion on adding flashbacks, since you totally ENABLE ME. :)

The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: don't feed the cylonssabaceanbabe on February 19th, 2009 05:21 pm (UTC)
Dude. You KNOW I love flashbacks. O_o
Jashyr: bsgjashyr on February 19th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
Well even the great and incomparable Sir Patrick Moore is rather well known for playing the xylophone.

He could be Old Earth's version of Fiorella Terenzi. (She's an Astrophysicist but as a musician also worked with Thomas Dolby, Herbie Hancock, put out a few albums...)
lizardbeth: Anders - gunlizardbeth_j on February 19th, 2009 06:24 pm (UTC)
he plays guitar, we know that. He even wrote Watchtower, apparently, according to the podcast. So he's a multitalented renaissance dude. I think that's cool enough on its own without adding throngs of screaming fans, too.

ellestra: bsgellestra on February 19th, 2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
Like Brian May in reverse :P
weissmanweissman on February 20th, 2009 02:16 am (UTC)
I think Boomer is for real, I just hope she is not punished for it
gnews_reader on February 20th, 2009 11:53 pm (UTC)

noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on March 10th, 2009 07:18 am (UTC)
"Both Tory and Ellen were already coupled up - so either he was unrequitedly in love with one of them, or there was someone else who didn't make it, leaving him to make that long voyage as odd man out."

'Course it's possible that he filled the void by having a threesome with Tory and Galen. The Cylons had to get "free love" from somewhere.
lizardbeth: Anders - cross outlizardbeth_j on March 10th, 2009 11:10 pm (UTC)
Their sublight journey had to last a few years for them, so I would hope SOMEONE helped him out! Though I still suspect/want to believe that he and his 'messenger' had a thing.

'Course now we know that was a GINORMOUS ship and probably didn't need anyone to operate it. The Five might've spent most of the journey in stasis or whatever, so nobody got lonely.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on March 11th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
Sam/Tory/Galen is actually quite plausible in light of Six/Baltar/Three, don't you think?

I'd like to know what these messengers looked like. Baltar said they appear in the form of people close to you, but Sam just said, "I saw a woman. Tory, you saw a man." Which isn't much to go on.

Given the size of The Colony, I doubt it's the original ship. Very likely the original ship was incorporated into it, but I suspect the Centurions pitched in on that huge thing. How cool is it that Sam used to live in an Evil-Looking Overgrown Spider Base Thing?

Another plot bunny struck me. Sam must have been friends with some of those Centurions before they were scrapped, doubtless by Cavil.

I was just rewatching the Cylon War scenes from Razor, and when Adama and Cain watch the Centurions withdraw, I think about Anders and the others being there behind the scenes saving the day.

lizardbeth: Anders- Helolizardbeth_j on March 11th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
perhaps, but the way Sam spoke about Galen and Tory as being all in love and about to be married, didn't really strike me as him being a part of it in any serious way. I'd buy sex and companionship on the journey, no prob, though. And maybe Ellen, too (or instead) - we know she slept around on Saul when she was boomerized, it's possible she did that as "herself" as well, and with Sam.

I think two of the messengers looked like Six and Leoben, and the two Humlons we know were based on those two forms. There are three male members of the Five and only three female Humlon models (of eight), so they each could've seen a different one and wanted to recreate her. Or not, but I don't think Baltar's correct in his assumption.

And yeah, that First Cylon War just got a whole lot more interesting, didn't it?
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on March 11th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
After Earth is what I mean.

Baltar's statment is correct so far. His angel appears as Six, Six's as Baltar, and Kara's (one or two?) as Leoben and her father.

How did the Five gather information on what was happening in the Colonial system in the first place? Go to ground and pretend to be humans? I wonder what the negotiations with the Cenurions were like. They first had to prove that they were Cylons, of course. Why didn't they make themselves known to the Colonials at the treaty signing? Would they eventually have used Armistice Station? Would Sam and Kara ever have met if Cavil hadn't done his thing?

And Sam was around, presumably at his current apparent age, when Bill was young and Kara wasn't born yet. That's freaky.

lizardbeth: Anders- b&wlizardbeth_j on March 11th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
I would guess that not revealing themselves to the humans was part of the deal with the Centurions in making Humlons. Perhaps the Centruions wanted their Humlons to be able to infiltrate the Humans and live among them, and thought that wouldn't happen if the humans were already aware that there were Human-form Cylons around? In terms of fearing prejudice from the Humans, more than out of nefarious purpose, I mean, though that's possible too. Or it could've been the Five's idea to keep themselves secret, not wanting to have to talk about the fall of Earth, maybe, or to keep their technology out of Human hands? Lots of possible reasons...

The age thing is weird, between subjective time and resurrection. Like, we know Tigh has aged, so did Cavil pull him out of the clone/rez tank "early" or was he pulled out 'finished' and he's aged beyond what he was 'originally'?
noybusiness on March 11th, 2009 03:25 am (UTC)
Tigh was older in the Earth flashback than when he met Adama, so it would seem Cavil set his body to a slightly younger age on purpose.

Did you see my post of Pyramid of Dreams with plot bunnies? If so, what do you think of them?
lizardbeth: Anders- Helolizardbeth_j on March 11th, 2009 04:16 am (UTC)
hm, good point, Tigh wasn't the bearer of hair on Earth, was he? (I think I was too stunned by two eyes again to really notice *g*) So. I wonder if Tigh's age when sent to the Colonies was selected because Cavil already had a rough idea of when he was going to attack and worked backward so his "dad" would be the right apparent age, or if it just happened to come out that way?

sorry, no. I have so little time to write as it is, if I get distracted with "oooo shiny!", I'll never finish the things I've already started! So I avoid temptation by not looking...
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on March 11th, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
Either works.

Curses! Foiled again.