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20 November 2008 @ 08:57 am
Dear Anti-Twilight Fandom:  
Enjoying that glass house are we?

I will be so glad when the Twilight movie is over so we don't have to wade through all the stupidity. And unfortunately some of the Anti-Twilight people are just as stupid. Yes, because none of us have ever liked something that other people mock. It's Geek Hierarchy b.s. Squeeing over Jensen Ackles does not make you any cooler than someone else squeeing over Robert Pattinson, mmkay? Liking Wincest doesn't make you cooler than vampire romance readers (and bringing up Wincest to the actors makes you a TOOL btw). insert star and fandom of your choice; it's still true

The books happened to catch on with tweens. So did High School Musical, which is at least as ridiculous, and yet I don't see people up in those producers' face for the decline of civilization as we know it, or forming a cottage industry of mocking their fans. Or calling those writers fat cows. Or bashing their religion. Which, I don't care what it is, is not cool. No, not even with a "Just kidding! *smiley*" on it. STFU.

gah. Please let it GO AWAY soon.

(inspired by comments on a post with premiere photos, but building for a quite awhile. I find the OUTRAGE leveled at these books absurd)
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Anders with gunsabaceanbabe on November 20th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
Go write me some Derek Reese and Sam Anders in a bar, comparing notes on their tough chicks. That'll take your mind off it.
lizardbeth: Derek with gunlizardbeth_j on November 20th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
I'm writing Sharon and Caprica escaping New Caprica. (dude, are you sure you're up for almost 40K words? ;) )

But Derek and Sam in a bar is very appealing! mmmmmmmm
(Anonymous) on November 20th, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
Throw John Crichton in there, and there might be a suspiciously large amount of alcohol consumed.

Agent Fox Mulderi_want_2 on November 20th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
Outrage? You mean people are outraged by these books/movies? Well, isn't that special.

They'll cry over this, but not what is happening to Star Trek? My faith in complainers is lost. I think I shall cry now. Boohoo, boohoo. Oh, boohoo.

Seriously, what list are you watching that has people who even care about this movie, let alone enough to hate it?
lizardbethlizardbeth_j on November 20th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
oh, so you've never seen any of the backlash? lucky you. imagine Fandom's general hatred for Mary Sues, and multiply by ten. It's the perfect storm of mediocrity, batshit popularity, and geek snobbery.
Agent Fox Mulderi_want_2 on November 20th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know all about that. That's why I avoid the info and everything about it. I agree with some, but most of it is just garbage.
cujoy on November 20th, 2008 07:40 pm (UTC)
Amen on this. I've never read the books, and thus refrain from commenting on them, though I've heard them bashed a lot. I'm planning to see the movie at some point based on sheer curiosity.
lizardbeth: Anders-Kara - Believethlizardbeth_j on November 20th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
I tried to read the first one. I couldn't get through it. And there are certainly mockable aspects. Which, okay, that's funny. But some people seem affronted by the concept that the books have fans at all, or they take Meyer's success as a personal insult somehow.

Oh, Fandom. Still so junior high.
Panthera: Murdock - Don't messpanthology on November 20th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
My knowledge of Twilight = zip, but ... didn't people do this same thing with Harry Potter?
lizardbethlizardbeth_j on November 20th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
to an extent, yeah. Though JKR got off lightly since I think there was a perception that at least she'd 'paid her dues' for her success, whereas Meyer seems to get bashed because she was lucky, and the book was huge right out of the gate.

Nicole Anell: twilightnicole_anell on November 20th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
Eh, that's why I avoid certain LOLZ-type "snarky" communities. Just from afar it sounds like too much elitist outrage at teenage girls (seriously, SPN fans? REALLY?) with a lovely dose of fat-bashing.

Which is a shame because I have so much love for mocking the actual content of "Twilight" without bitching about how popular it is. I like that it's popular. How else would I know it *existed*?
lizardbeth: Doral - humanslizardbeth_j on November 20th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Jeffrey Dean Morgan was at the Twilight premiere for some reason, presumably because he knows someone involved in the production. You'd think he killed a puppy by daring to show his face. HORRORS!

And some of the comments I saw about fangirls, Rob Pattinson (who, to me, looks completely exhausted. If he doesn't end up in rehab it's going to be a miracle), and Meyer were junior high level vicious. And I'm just - why? why does it matter if there are silly fangirls for a silly book?

Not that they care what geek snobs think, which is good, but still, I'll never understand the attitude that fandom is some kind of zero sum game.
Allison: Fangirlsfrolicndetour on November 20th, 2008 11:53 pm (UTC)
Liking Wincest doesn't make you cooler than anyone ever. I mean, have the SPN people even SEEN their fandom?! ;)

I hadn't seen the derogatory comments about Meyer's appearance. Man, that sucks. I got so mad when people would spew that kind of crap about Shonda Rhimes, much as I hate what she's done with Grey's. And amen on the religion bashing; that's just wrong, period. Arrrgh.

*edited for articulation

Edited at 2008-11-20 11:54 pm (UTC)
lizardbeth: Anders- Helolizardbeth_j on November 21st, 2008 12:43 am (UTC)
have the SPN people even SEEN their fandom?!

Apparently not with any self-awareness... :/ Which is a common failing in fandom, I know, but doesn't make me want to point out their hypocrisy and snobbery any less.

patron saint of neglected female characters: Procrastinate!rose_griffes on November 21st, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, this. Thanks.

I've been so tempted to make big long posts about how Meyer's books are a reflection of American culture and romance in the media, and how these are not, in fact, Mormon doctrine. But then I remember... no one on my f'list has said anything so asinine and I probably shouldn't bore y'all that much. ;-)

As for her weight... WHAT? Blergh. Because that has so much to do with her writing.
*rolls eyes*
Allison: Cally/Chieffrolicndetour on November 21st, 2008 01:58 am (UTC)
I would be interested to read that.
the_jackalopethe_jackalope on November 21st, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
I love you so much for this post right now.