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06 June 2011 @ 11:16 pm
Watching DW - Beast Below  
I just.

it is too late for me to be watching this show.



From "The Beast Below"
Doctor: Children cry silently because they can't stop. *looks at Amy* Any parent knows that.
Amy: Are you a parent?
Doctor: *pause* ... Hundreds of parents walking past...

THE DOCTOR DOESN'T KNOW YET ABOUT MELODY. HE CAN'T.
AND YET THAT IS EXTREMELY POINTY IN HINDSIGHT.

FUUUUU MOFFAT

and. Also.

Why does Moffat never have Eleven answer the question? He has a kid/kids in previous regenerations, right? Or were they of uncertain canonicity?

OR,

Is this theory that the cradle is for his and River's child truuuuuueee? Which doesn't make sense because he barely knows River at this point, so he would have no idea about it happening.

UNLESS because River knows his name in Forest of the Dead, he also knows that he will, at some point,in his future have a child with her? I could see that as a reveal that it's not that they marry that reveals his name, it's a child.

or else (a) this show has broken my brain, and/or (b) I just really want adorable Time Babies on the TARDIS.

I AM SO SORRY DOCTOR WHO FANDOM I KNOW THAT IS HORRID AND WRONG. I will stop.

But. But.

TIME BABIES.
TIME LORDS WHO UNDERSTAND "BABY".
Eleven and RIver being parents. Rory and Amy as grandparents (and somewhere the tardis herself just presiding over everything with a fond happy smile)

SHOOOOOOOWW.

So wrong except I suddenly want this LIKE BURNING



Please do not trip over the wacky theories on your way out.
 
 
 
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lizardbeth: DW - Amylizardbeth_j on June 7th, 2011 06:39 am (UTC)
ok, good I am not completely out of my head -- he has admitted to at least one child in recent continuity.

But as this all seems of a piece - those evasions MEAN SOMETHING. I mean, this is the dude who made sure Amy was in the same clothes and dropped a body in the backround at the lake - evasions mean something.

except .... yeah he's evasive about everything. *sigh*

You know how people are always bitching about showrunners not planning stuff? Be careful what you wish for, AMIRITE?
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entertaining in a disturbing way: Romo is spoilerylyssie on June 7th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC)
....HOW MANY FLESH RIVERS ARE RUNNING AROUND THE UNIVERSE?
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entertaining in a disturbing way: hahahah ot6lyssie on June 7th, 2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
I bet they email each other. One of them refuses computers and writes long letters--which occasionally go astray, and River is very sorry about the Library at Alexandria, it really wasn't her fault.
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Jashyr: doctor whojashyr on June 7th, 2011 07:47 am (UTC)
Um, have you seen The End of Time yet? We do get a fairly definative answer to what happens to the rest of the Gaillfrayans (and therefore the Doctor's actual family/childhood friends). Knowing all that it doesn't seem that unusual that he's evasive (and still hurting).

Ain't saying no more 'cos letting slip spoilers for Doctor Who is a treasonable offense in my country.

Edited at 2011-06-07 07:49 am (UTC)
lizardbeth: DW - Eleven-Amylizardbeth_j on June 9th, 2011 10:59 pm (UTC)
well, yah, I know they're all dead and stuff. But that's kind of the thing -- he doesn't actually evade questions about THAT. at least not the same way. He's not "Here's a potted history of galifrey and the True Story of how it all ended" - but he's not shy about telling Amy that he was the last. And given that she already knows that, would it be that much worse to admit "yeah, I was a dad once or twice long ago"?

I mean, don't get me wrong, he's clearly squirrelly on LOTS of topics, and the loss of any child would be awful, so that's prob all it is. But it just strikes me as odd. And I am a proponent of outlandish theories that explain oddness AND will bring me Time Lord Babies. :)
I love a bad girl, me: booze!leiascully on June 7th, 2011 06:38 am (UTC)
ALL THE TIME BABIES OKAY. GO WEAVE SOME BABIES RIGHT NOW DOCTOR AND RIVER.

The Doctor must have had kids in the past because the Companion for the First Doctor was his granddaughter. And I just want to believe that the giddiness on his face is as much for kids that he and River could make as for the fact that there is Melody Pond stood before him. I think he just doesn't always want to talk about his past (especially his pre-New Who past) because he's always the Doctor but he's still not quite the same, you know?

Anyway, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. I PROMISE.
lizardbeth: DW  - Eleven/Riverlizardbeth_j on June 7th, 2011 06:59 am (UTC)
yay! I am overtired and overexcited,but yay for being not alone in my strange desire for WEE TIME BABIES. (really, I am not usually this baby-mad.)

and also crack meta. And it's not even been a week -- think of the cracky meta I will come up with in July! :)
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noybusiness: Starbucknoybusiness on June 9th, 2011 02:04 pm (UTC)
Yes. His first companion was his granddaughter, who used the name "Susan Foreman". The series started with her science teacher Ian Chesterson and history teacher Barbara Wright (one of the earliest strong female scifi characters I can name) investigating their strange student and finding that her home was a blue police box in a junkyard. The rest, as they say, is history.

In the 70's-80's, many fans wanted the Doctor and his species to be asexual, so they tried to fanwank that Susan was his adopted granddaughter. However, in the 2006 episode "Fear Her", the Doctor briefly mentioned to Rose that he was once a dad. In 2008, he referred to his dead children in the plural, so there were at least two. Also, in the 2005 episode "The Empty Child", Dr. Constantine says that he was a father and a grandfather before the war and is now neither, and the Doctor says he knows the feeling.
lizardbeth: DW - Pondslizardbeth_j on June 9th, 2011 10:49 pm (UTC)
Ah, I did see Empty Child so I probably recalled that vaguely - plus I've heard about Susan (tho I wasn't sure if she'd been officially retconned out of relative-ness). But I suppose the question then remains -- why is Eleven being cagey about it now when he's been reasonably open about it before? I suppose it could just be general Eleven evasiveness as pointed out above, and/or just being upset about being the last and all that. He gets a bit squirrelly in Amy's Choice, too. So. IDEK.

I admit, I want it to MEAN Something, since that's the way I roll. But it's probably just Moffat trolling fandom.
noybusiness on June 9th, 2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
Actually, he instantly changed the subject and acted as if he'd said nothing after he mentioned it to Rose. And when it came up with Donna, it was because it had to. I don't want to spoil.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on June 9th, 2011 02:13 pm (UTC)
Oops. Chesterton. But I think the Doctor himself made that mistake. Well, mistake in the sense of Endora calling Darrin "Derwood".