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24 June 2009 @ 03:31 pm
All this has happened before...  
You know what? Ron has his faults, but damn if "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" is not the best phrase EVER for fandom.

For example:

- oh look! Adrianne Palicki is rumored to be coming back for a guest appearance on Supernatural. Instead of the joy across the land this SHOULD bring, or even curiosity, there are, of course, a gaggle of people who have judged this is a bad thing. What a shock.

- oh look! Warnings ver. 3 million. I'd link but it's all over metafandom. This is the first time I've heard the "privilege" word getting bandied about so much though. Yeah, there's another word that's going to get sucked dry very soon from overuse. Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I slept horribly, have a headache, dumped kiddo at my parents, and fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.

Thank god for killer robots, and plans for double dating to Public Enemies. OH yes, hubby was adorable. "You want to go, right?" -- "Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"
 
 
 
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Nicole Anell: ginanicole_anell on June 25th, 2009 12:14 am (UTC)
I agree with this. Except that from my perspective it doesn't seem like larger groups are telling them to shush. It seems like a pretty strong majority is on the side of survivors and warning-positive people, a handful of obnoxious folks are telling them to shush and stop complaining, and those folks are getting hit with the full fury of multifandom outrage. Which I'm pretty okay with, except the whole thing taken together makes for really depressing reading.
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rhienelleth: Evilrhienelleth on June 24th, 2009 11:20 pm (UTC)
"Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"

*chortles* INDEED!
lizardbeth: C Balelizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
Having just watched some of their red carpet interviews, mmm, gimme some more of that... TIME FOR A BREAK, yes.
noybusiness on June 24th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)
Where did you see people judging Adrienne Palicki's return a bad thing?
lizardbeth: Anders - Leelizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
ONe of the main comms where they reported Ausiello's comment. supernatural_tv maybe?
entertaining in a disturbing waylyssie on June 24th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
sigh.

*spams*



"Every year, it's the same," Marigold the dragon told Leland Adama. She shifted a little on her nest, and then sniffled a little, sending the stench of sulphur into the room.

Leland, for his part, stayed in his corner, wishing that the townspeople hadn't trussed him up quite so thoroughly. Perhaps if he humored her... "Every year?" he prompted, wondering how an evil, pillaging dragon had come to be named Marigold.

"They don't ask, you know. They just assume--" she tapped a claw and snorted, "As though I'm a common, trouble-making dragon without their... pittances.

"It's all that bloody St. George's fault, I say," continued the dragon, not needing prompting anymore. She wasn't quite in full spate, but Leland could see the slight glow to the edges of her scales. She was obviously working herself up to something. "Had to run afoul of my cousin Astrid, and she just HAD to let him kill her."

Marigold sniffed, making it clear she would never be caught in such a pickle.

"And then of course, what could the rest of us do but hide even more? And even then, there's those that'll come after dragons with pitchforks and mobs," Marigold's talons tapped an annoyed tattoo on the stone of her nest. "Even those what do nothin' get 'em. Or we get stupid tributes and virgins once a year--usually cut-throats and trouble-makers the village wants off their hands."

"I'm not--"

"Sometimes, we actually get virgins," conceded the dragon.

Leland had the grace to blush.

It wasn't that he liked being a virgin, it was that he simply hadn't found the right woman who matched his exceedingly long list of qualifications to give that virginity to. Really, his virginity, in the end, had little to do with his current predicament, and he considered telling Marigold that.

But she was ranting again.

"It's always knights come to save the fair maiden, or wizards who want scales for spells, or rather bumbling heroes who have rewards to collect. Almost enough to make a good dragon reconsider her morals," grumped Marigold.

"What do you do with them, then?" Leland asked, suddenly rather curious. The dragon's chamber was large and littered with dust and rocks and bits of shiny debris, but he couldn't see anything that looked like piles of bones or leftovers from virgin meals. Perhaps there was hope for him yet.

lizardbeth: Agathonslizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 12:58 am (UTC)
ILU.

*hearts*
entertaining in a disturbing way: Kara and Sam are in loooooooovelyssie on June 25th, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
*snuggles*
My way of staying sanemamaboolj on June 24th, 2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss Reminds self to call that 15 year old we met at the park who was great with NW. Enjoy your game. Um I meant date.

Edited at 2009-06-24 11:33 pm (UTC)
lizardbeth: C Balelizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
ah yes, the babysitter for this one!
Allisonfrolicndetour on June 24th, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
And here's where Still Bitter Girl has to point out that "all of this has happened before" is actually from Peter Pan, not He Who Must Not Be Named. ;) Just kidding; it is so very apt for so many things.

Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.

Oh god yeah. I mean, I really don't want to diminish the issue of triggering rape survivors, and I'm personally glad that there's this convention of warning for rape, because unless I trust the author to handle it responsibly (like I know you and a few others would), I don't want to read it. I just find it really offensive, especially when it's stuff like "Laura needs Tigh to save her from hypothermia by frakking her while she's unconscious" type stuff. *shudders* But the way that everything in the discussion is given that exact same level of weight, and everyone on the "wrong side" is castigated as if they'd committed some crime as opposed to held an opinion you disagree with... wow.

Luckily this stuff doesn't come up in BSG fandom afaik, with the exception of the obvious notion that you should warn for graphic rape. Maybe because the canon is so prone to doing things like killing characters or having people cheat on each other that people who can't be exposed to that sort of thing aren't watching? I mean "bandom," Stargate, etc are all comparatively fluffier, right?

*worries*
Nicole Anell: ginanicole_anell on June 24th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
Laura needs Tigh to save her from hypothermia by frakking her while she's unconscious
Why must you remind me of these things?
Allison: Kara - Angry!frolicndetour on June 25th, 2009 12:01 am (UTC)
I AM SORRY. I should have warned - this comment may be triggering to survivors of extreme badfic.
Nicole Anell: laura roslin will destroy younicole_anell on June 25th, 2009 12:15 am (UTC)
*shouldn't snerk*

*but I did*
Allison: Roslinfrolicndetour on June 25th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)
Ha, I'm glad, because I just read the serious, thoughtful comments upthread and... was really wishing I'd read them before I decided a little tasteless humor was the way to go. *cringe*

I think my perspective is skewed because I'm just now reading the whole thing backwards, as it were. So I saw the posts/comments saying "hey, I warn for consent issues, but it's unreasonable to expect warnings for everything anyone could possibly be offended by, including the presence of characters they don't like," thought "yeah, that makes sense," saw all the outrage they incurred... without knowing this whole thing started because someone posted a dub-con story without a warning, and then other people got offended on her behalf after she handled the whole thing gracefully. I'm just now getting the back story.

I guess I do wish that the IMO crystal-clear issue of warning for rape, or "consent issues," be a separate conversation from the issue of whether people should also warn for things like death of a character or "partner betrayal." (Partner betrayal? 2/3 of Kara/Lee fanfic would need a warning! *g*) It's just not fair to either side of the debate./tl;dr
entertaining in a disturbing waylyssie on June 25th, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
(Partner betrayal? 2/3 of Kara/Lee fanfic would need a warning! *g*)

Kara/Zak all the way?
Nicole Anell: kara/samnicole_anell on June 25th, 2009 03:48 pm (UTC)
*nods* Agreed. I eventually walked away from the giant internet blow-up of the moment, because it got wanky and frustrating all around (of course). But FWIW a big part of the drama came from some people clearly stating that there's a difference between triggers and squicks, and yet other people still refused to make that distinction and acted like they were talking about every frivolous thing that might bother someone.

Whatever, I'm just glad BSG fandom was a relatively quiet and far less dramatic place. I don't understand how the already-forgotten actions of one person in an obscure fandom can suddenly turn into a huge overly-academic screaming match between parties who weren't even involved in the first place.

Sorry, that's the last I'll say about it in poor lizardbeth_j's journal. HOW ABOUT THAT JOHNNY DEPP?
entertaining in a disturbing waylyssie on June 25th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
I WISH I DID NOT KNOW.
lizardbeth: Anders-Kara - don't dielizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
Peter Pan! whatev. *waves hand* :P

you know, you bring up a good point, and maybe it explains why I'm DONE with this round. I just don't see fics that aren't warned. AFAIK even this particular go-round got kicked off by ONE fic without a warning on a comm that required one (so fail on courtesy and even simple rule reading). I see fics that have warnings, or authors who say they don't warn, so caveat lector. And if someone else comes from a place in fandom where the convention is different (like, warning for cheating? WTF? I'm not warning for that in BSG fandom *snort*), then someone can tell them. Maybe there is a massive shortfall in warnings someplace, but not in my fandoms, so I just don't get why it has to blow up into the same damn thing as always.

Except it's summer and fandom needs a new topic. (Slash and/or the Misogyny thereof, in August, that's my pick)
Mayhem Parva: (plaidphoenix) cameron Microsoftraincitygirl on June 25th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
Padalecki is the actor who plays the very tall male half of that couple. Palicki is the actor who plays the very tall female half. And it's actually spelled AdriAnne, not AdriEnne. I know, I know, I'm pedantic. But she's awesomecakes with a side of awesomesauce on Friday Night Lights, so I figured out how to spell her name so I could squee over her. It'll be weird going back to thinking of her as Jess. Oh, and I betcha they put her in extensions or a wig. That actress likes rocking the bobbed hairdos.

As for the wrnings thing, I started reading, and then I backspaced the hell out of there after my second headdesk moment. Life's too short. Sometimes yuo have to pick your battles.
lizardbeth: C Bale - T4lizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
*looks* Oh,jeez. I did write Padalecki didn't I? d'oh! I know that. (I would have still written Adrienne, though probably). I would head desk, except I've had headache all day, which has made me crabby.

And I should probably not read meta links on those days, no.
To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!: {pe} Men wearing a hat are hotjustmyb0nes on June 25th, 2009 08:07 am (UTC)
To bad about those stupid rants for Adrianne to be in SPN. It would be so interesting. I mean each time she's on screen is an awesome moment in SPN so why so many bad words about her?

I hope your headache has disapeared now (though i think you're probably in bed sleeping right now.

"Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"
LMAO Wurd. Glad to see Im not the only one to like feodras. (I blame all those movies happening in the 30-50's for this obsession)

fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.
*nods*
lizardbeth: C Balelizardbeth_j on June 25th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
your icon is very tasty! :P
To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!: {bsg} Too sexy to be humanjustmyb0nes on June 28th, 2009 07:50 pm (UTC)
thank you!!
♛ part-time maenad: bsg; empireradon_ on June 25th, 2009 12:07 pm (UTC)
"Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"
TOO TRUE. *g*