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08 May 2008 @ 10:57 am
Sam fic and LDYB  
I'm up to the LDYB portion of my AU, and I have a few comments.

Why was Gunny Mathias not on Caprica in LDYB? boo. She'd be very handy right now.

The wiki seems to think Cavil was put there by the Cylons when they withdrew. But I think he had to have already infiltrated the resistance or everyone was way too calm about a stranger suddenly standing up. Which is how I'm writing him. I think it'll all fit together, maybe even work out a bit better. *crosses fingers*




I love how Leoben confirms that Sam was famous back in the day as a pyramid player. Which, we kind of already knew from Adama -- Adama doesn't just say he's a fan of the Panthers; he recognizes Sam and calls him a 'hell of a player.' *fangirl squeal* -- but it's nice to have confirmation.

But on a meta level, I like it even more, because it means the writers haven't forgotten that they need to account for Sam's pre-attacks career, with presumably a long track record of playing, when reconciling that with his Cylon-ness. While many people are concerned about Tigh's age and such, I was worried that the writers would classify Sam with Tory as not really having much of a backstory to worry about, and that's not true. So phew!

And he was born on Picon! or thinks he was. I'm so glad we're getting some of these tidbits about his history, even if some of it turns out to be false.



Interesting thing from the podcasts about how there was a bit about the Aurora figurine that got cut out. hmm. That starts to take Kara=Aurora off the table then. Not entirely since it was in Maelstrom, but... it's definitely sliding down a few notches in my Theory of Everything.

I'm sorry to lose the bit about Bill in Kara's Viper though. One of the promo shots from the newsletter had a pic and I was all excited. I want to see him flying before the end (and it sounds like Ron does too- so I have hope!)
 
 
 
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: adama great hairsabaceanbabe on May 8th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
The wiki really says that about Cavil? What the frak are they smoking? He couldn't really have been planted at that time on Caprica any more than he was planted suddenly on Galactica. O_o

And pshaw about Adama. *eyes you narrowly* HELO already confirmed Sam was a famous Pyramid player all the way back in Home. And Kara confirmed Helo's confirmation. So there.
lizardbeth: Helo - Anderslizardbeth_j on May 8th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
:P well.... if you want to be persnickety, Helo recognized Sam and all the Bucs in Resistance. But that didn't mean anything more than Helo followed the Bucs. Or that he thought Sam was any GOOD. So there. *g*

And yeah, wiki says Cavil "suddenly appears" and that he tells the resistance that the Cylons are gone, which is wrong. *thwaps wiki for letting me down*
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Derek is not amusedsabaceanbabe on May 8th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
pppththththpbt

Anyway, I just sent you an email on a totally unrelated subject. :P
greygreycoupon on May 8th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
Check the LDYB podcast... Ron talked about that a little bit. I just can't recall what he said there.
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: despairsabaceanbabe on May 8th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
You know, I hadn't realized Matthias WASN'T around then? I was just looking over at IMDB and it lists her first ep as Exodus. But that can't be right, can it? I mean, I wrote her in Liberation and I wrote the majority of that between LDYB and Precipice. She HAS to have been in s2 somewhere, doesn't she?
lizardbeth: Aerynlizardbeth_j on May 8th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
well, going by the wiki (which we've already discussed may be wrong), that was her first appearance. And there's a footnote about the Exodus and how Ron got the name for her, so I think that was it. Though she was also in Razor, retroactively.

I'm trying to remember in the early draft you sent me whether she was there or not, and I can't. But didn't you sit on the fic for awhile and then redo some because of canon?

Or maybe you were just psychic? :P
entertaining in a disturbing waylyssie on May 8th, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC)
She's not in s2, as I recall. And the inference in Razor was that she's from Pegasus. *misses her*
Allison: FRAC -Anders/Tyrolfrolicndetour on May 8th, 2008 07:48 pm (UTC)
Why was Gunny Mathias not on Caprica in LDYB? boo. She'd be very handy right now.

Maybe she was and we just didn't see her. Or they recast the role. It could happen! ;)

The wiki seems to think Cavil was put there by the Cylons when they withdrew.

Ron made of point of saying on the podcast that Cavil had been there for a while. He was afraid that didn't come across and people looked to startled to see him, but he'd infiltrated - that's probably how the Centurians ambushed them.

Interesting thing from the podcasts about how there was a bit about the Aurora figurine that got cut out. hmm. That starts to take Kara=Aurora off the table then.

Really? I heard that and I thought the opposite - why keep bringing it up if it's not going to be important?

I like it even more, because it means the writers haven't forgotten that they need to account for Sam's pre-attacks career, with presumably a long track record of playing, when reconciling that with his Cylon-ness.

Thankfully! Sure, it pales in comparison to Tigh, but still important.

I guess Adama in the Viper must have been filmed, at least. Hopefully they'll be nice to us with the deleted scenes this time.
lizardbeth: Anders - gunlizardbeth_j on May 8th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
re: Aurora. Yeah, why mention it at all? But, if it's going to be important later (especially in more than a symbolic way) wouldn't you keep it in? I mean, this season so far is pretty much nothing but metaphorical guns going up on the walls. If Kara really IS Aurora, then I'd think they would want to remind people and set that up to pull the trigger later. Although, OTOH, it's certainly possible that Ron thought it was too heavy-handed or obvious, so it got snipped (though that doesn't really seem to be a big problem of his most of the time... )

The interesting thing about Anders and Tigh (disregarding the Final Five Download into existing bodies theory) is that they sort of imply at least two different waves: Tigh's history is about thirty years when he met Bill and we verify his existence, and Sam's is at least ten, I figure, since he's not young. They couldn't have come at the same time.

Unless. I'm wondering if Sam was a (Cylon) baby actually and everything he remembers about Picon etc is real. Because if he came as a baby, that'd be about the same time Tigh was planted. and Tory and Galen are about that age too.
Allisonfrolicndetour on May 8th, 2008 10:08 pm (UTC)
Unless. I'm wondering if Sam was a (Cylon) baby actually and everything he remembers about Picon etc is real. Because if he came as a baby, that'd be about the same time Tigh was planted. and Tory and Galen are about that age too.

Yeah, if they age, which we know they do, I don't see why they can't have grown up from infants. Tigh as well. Because they don't have to have all emerged at the same time, do they? Of course, who knows how to read Leoben's line about "what their eyes must have seen, witnessed over time." Reincarnation?